Effective period / Period of releases: 1989

Members: Tony Erba, Tony Hinton, Scott Doland, Downtown Brown (3), John Coleman (7)

Formed after Don Foose and Scott left The Bag Men, and they formed a new lineup with a new style, losing the crossover/Thrash elements in favor of a straight Hardcore sound, shortening their name to Bagmen and getting a new logo . Before the end of 1989 they released "Cleveland Hardcore" with the new name, but very soon after decided to take on a completely new name, becoming Face Value (2). They almost immediately had a logo for Face Value made with the "Bagmen" logo's lettering, and had new covers printed with new art and the new name, releasing them with original unsold Bagmen cassettes inside.